March 7, 2008
Alex, can you begin to tell us a little bit about yourself and
Well, my background is varied; I've done like many other people have
done a lot of things. I've had accounting practices. I've owned commercial
industrial businesses. Currently, what I'm trying to do is finish
three books and lecturing across southern California and the western
states, trying to get out information that I agreed to put out regarding
the Earth dilemma of the situation that we all face here. And I apologize.
I'm two years behind schedule. I was supposed to have started lecturing
two years prior to this. I've really been out since October of '93.
It'll be almost a year, and that's currently what I am trying to
do. So a lot of my energy and focus has been going toward that.
Now you're in contact with the Andromedans. Who exactly are the
They're a particular race that exists in the constellation of Andromeda.
They're just one of thousands that exist out there. They are the
particular race that I have talked to and have had contact with and
have given me and shared information with me, are human. They're
white skinned to light blue skinned, anywhere from four foot tall
to eight feet tall, and they are human in every way.
Now where did they originate, Alex?
All human life originated in Lyra. When Lyra fell during a war, long
before one of the stars there exploded, they migrated out from Lyra
during a war in order to preserve the race and they went to different
parts of our galaxy. So all human life originated from Lyra, originally.
Because of their environment, they will, from generation to generation,
pick up physical changes depending upon the surface and the organic
stuff, their planets, and so on and so forth. The different coloured
race skins have to do with genetics involving the stars in which
that they're exposed to. So that's basically where they came from.
So they're primary home star then is Lyra?
Yes, originally it was.
Is that currently still their home star?
No. There's no human life on Lyra.
So then where do they exist now?
In the constellation of Andromeda.
Throughout the constellation?
They must be very plentiful then. There must be a great, vast
Yes there is. It's an ancient, ancient race.
Have they described what their civilization is like to you?
Yes, they have.
Could you go into some of the details that struck you the most
about their civilization?
Essentially, no matter where they are, they are a one-world government.
Their society would be approximately forty seven hundred years more
advanced than ours on a spiritual level. On a technological level
they're fifty thousand years. But there's a balance between their
technology and their spiritual. In other words, the technology they
create is based on a spiritual necessity to evolve and not on one
to defend themselves, even though it can be used for that.
Now when you say forty seven hundred years advanced spiritually...
How do you measure spiritual advancement in years?
I don't really know. That's what they've expressed to me.
They don't even use time in their world. There's no such thing, really,
but they use those numbers to accommodate us so that we can use those
as a point of reference.
I see, okay. What do they call their world in their language?
They don't speak. Everything is a symbol there. The whole race is
telepathic. And I want to back up just a little bit. There are twenty-eight
different races there. Not all are human. Many are dimensional, plasmic,
organic, that were there before the human aspect of the Andromedans
themselves, or the Lyrans got there and became Andromedans.
There's a lot of life on the different dimensional levels that if
we were to go to fifth density, we would be physical on fifth density
even though here we're on third density, our perspective of them
as being spirit. So on each of the different dimensions there is
an abundance of life that is completely different than how we would
perceive it because our perception is of what third density is like.
Even fourth density is very different, but we will have physical
form in fourth density.
Now is third density the lowest density or are there other lower?
The animal and
insect kingdoms and planetary systems would be considered lower
but, to be perfectly honest with you, I've not had a clear definition
of that because I haven't asked. My focus really has been us and "where
do we go from here?"
What is the main difference between the third density and the
The real difference
is consciousness. In fourth density you can pretty
much instantly create what it is that you think. Whatever
your thoughts are, you manifest almost instantaneously. So there's
a major degree of responsibility in dealing with that. Also,
in fourth density we become more of a group mind. In
fourth density we're all telepathic. In other words,
everybody can read each other's minds. Which means you have to
be real. You can't have hidden agendas because people will see
right through you. Also, in fourth density we all become clairvoyants.
We'll be able to see energy fields, see life forms, which means
that if you're hiding something it'll be seen instantaneously. They've
also said that in fourth density, when we move into that,
our court systems will change. There's still a positive
and negative. That exists all the way to the fifth density where
you'll experience, to a strong degree, the dualities in our everyday
environments. What will happen is you'll have a judge and you'll
have a jury who will all be clairvoyants. They will read the
energy field and know who is telling the truth and
who isn't. And everything will be judged based on that, will be
based on energy, not on words. In
fourth density, when you walk by somebody or you touch somebody's
hand, you will instantly know everything about them.
So again, there will be no hidden agendas. Everybody will really
have to be real. And if they choose to have and continue to play
out their agendas, whatever those are, then they will have the
space. But, you will know, or people will know. I will know whom
we're dealing with instantaneously.
Is there an economy?
And what is the basis of their economy? Is it like a spiritual
economy? I've heard some people describe their views of other
extraterrestrial civilizations as having a spiritual economy where
the amount of psychic energy you put into something is given a
value. Have they expressed any of how their social systems work?
Ok, I know a little
bit about that. Essentially, everybody is given exactly what it
is they need to evolve. There are many different races, and each
race has their own uniqueness about them based on their particular
belief systems and my understanding is that everything is a belief
system. As far as the Andromedan culture, children go to school,
or the Andromedans, they go through a birth process just like
we do. Those that are physical. They go to school for anywhere
from one hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty years. They're
taught all of the major sciences and arts. They would be equivalent
to PhD’s or doctorates or
masters, whatever you want to call it, in all of the
arts. It is at that point, once they are done with all of that
education, that they choose what it is that they wish to do, where
to evolve. And they can change their mind any time they want.
The whole purpose is the evolution of the soul and life. They're
given whatever it is that they need to do that. I'm not aware
of crime or whatever, or anything along those lines. Their whole
focus is on education and not distraction. If it's something that
is not educational, from what I've observed, it's simply something
they're not interested in. They just have it within them to constantly
evolve on an educational as well as a spiritual level. And whatever
they need is there for them to use. I'm not aware of them having
to pay anything for it. To my knowledge it doesn't exist.
Now are art and music important to them too?
Yes, all of it
is. But those things are very different than what
we perceive. Art is creation to them, things that
are created out of thought, out of the "Is-ness".
What they call "Is-ness", the Pleiadians call creation,
what we call God. Things are created just by
thought, by nature. They
consider art. They use extensively holographic technology.
Music, their music, is of the universe, of what the music
that certain planets make as they rotate around their
sun, what different solar systems make as they revolve
around their sun, and what whole systems - the sounds
and energy that they create. To them, that's their music.
And then they put things together, different constellations,
different star systems. They'll put those together and
overlap them to create music. It's different than what
we just pull out of thin air here.
How have they
expressed what their daily life is like? Is there
a solar day for them, or is there night or day?
What is their daily life like, or periods of life?
There is really,
to my knowledge, no set schedule. I'll give you an
example of what I observed aboard one of their mother
ships. They don't require much sleep to my knowledge,
simply because I guess they're very healed; their
beings, their physical form, they're just incredibly
healed. They're just in touch. There is no night and
day. They don't need to experience that, although
I'm sure other races have that, but the Andromedans
don't. They're just constantly stretching themselves,
trying to evolve and experience more and more and
more all the time. They're happy people. They don't
have the extremes of emotions that we express here.
In fact, I've been told that virtually few races in
the entire galaxy express the realm of emotions that
we experience here. They're just always in a very
wonderful space. They're not a civilization that really judges.
They do accept things the way they are, with the exception
of when those things threaten their particular lifestyle,
or what they're about, their essence, and others, what other races
might experience or perceive as a threat.
Alex, you said they were evolving spiritually. What do they want
to evolve towards? What spiritual goals do they have?
I guess to be just the best that they are, to be completely at one
with all that there is at all times. You know, there are eleven creational densities, and my understanding
is that within each of the creational densities you change your physical
form. Their goal as a race is to go from the densities that they
experience, which are three four and five, I guess to move to five
six seven and eight. Then from there eight nine and ten, and then
to eleven. And now the new dimensional realm to be created, twelve.
It's just to continue to evolve. Nobody knows exactly what the ultimate
goal is, because the essences that they're in touch with, that are
on nine ten and eleven, are continuing to evolve. And now there's
a twelfth density that is being added to our universe. And they're
being drawn up to experience this new density. So nobody really knows
what the ultimate spiritual goal is. They themselves are still searching
for what God is. They know it exists, but what it is nobody really
knows, which is why they call it the is-ness. It's just a force that's
there. And how we perceive it is based on how we perceive ourselves
and our own belief structures, belief systems. And that's how we
use the energy, to create.
Now, you mentioned that they're in contact with essences from
the ninth, tenth and eleventh?
Could you describe what they describe these beings to be like
to them and what they would be like to human beings?
It's just pure consciousness. What their daily lives are like I don't
know. I don't have any idea.
Have they described them at all in any sort of detail to you?
Just light. Just light.
Just light. That's all I know.
Ok now, what abilities do the Andromedans possess that exceed
those of earth humans? You've mentioned telepathy...
Well, that's an interesting question and I don't know that I necessarily
like the way you put it. The abilities that they have are latent
in everybody. They just haven't lived in a society that has been
screwed with like we have been here. They're all telepathic, they're
all clairvoyant, they're all healers because they're taught all of
the sciences. They're just, they're whole. I guess that's the only
way that I can put it to you is that they're completely whole. Every
soul knows who they are. They know who they've been. They know what
their reincarnational past has been. They as a soul have a personal
agenda, which every time they incarnate they're consciously aware
of. So they know where they're going. They see improvement in themselves
life after life after life. We, if we hadn't been so screwed with
here, would have the same abilities. We could very much be where
they are. But we've been manipulated incredibly for the last fifty seven hundred
years, on an intense level every day. Our real manipulation really
started about fourteen thousand years ago when the Orion group started
manipulating our DNA structure. So it isn't that they're better because
they're not. We're just different. We're a little bit behind than
they are because of our manipulations here. But the real bottom line
here is: We're all Spirit. We contain a soul. That soul is a part
of all that is. And that soul has been really trying to be recognized
in each of us. And it hasn't been because of the material and the
belief systems that we have evolving around us being earth people,
about being physical, and about the real truths of our essence, of
our existence, of who we are having been blinded from us, from our
spiritual teachings, from the religions and us being convinced that
we're something that we're not: that we're physical, that we're animal
form. And we're not. We're spirit. Our spirit animates these physical
from the October 1994 interview by Ditrianum